For disclosure's sake, I'm not a designer as a career. But to your point. I never even tried to get a commission until I felt like I had a really good handle on design. I figured, rightly, that no one would really want a site they could build themselves. This is the most ridiculous point you've made. Those idiots are taking your business now, and causing those clients to distrust designers as a whole. Then, 5 years down the road, maybe they'll come to you, but they're the type of client you don't want: the one that micromanages everything you do. There's nothing wrong with templating Joomla. CMS is a whole different world. That's the point. They are for mom & pop who don't think they need to pay an actual designer. If you're a designer using these tools, you're doing your clients a disservice. You don't have to go to school to be a designer. I prove that every time I sit in front of my computer. I have a degree in Professional Aeronautics, which is far from a design degree. But, you need to take the time to sit down and learn a craft if you want to do it. Slapping some junk together in some crap editor that kicks out AP divs that look like ass isn't the way to go, and you're doing a disservice to your clients as well as designers that actually give a damn about what they do. Clients care. That's all that matters. The only market for WYSIWYG built sites are for computer illiterates who don't know better and get duped.