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Discussion in 'Web Design' started by marywallace66, Aug 3, 2011.

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  1. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

    For disclosure's sake, I'm not a designer as a career. But to your point. I never even tried to get a commission until I felt like I had a really good handle on design. I figured, rightly, that no one would really want a site they could build themselves.

    This is the most ridiculous point you've made. Those idiots are taking your business now, and causing those clients to distrust designers as a whole. Then, 5 years down the road, maybe they'll come to you, but they're the type of client you don't want: the one that micromanages everything you do.

    There's nothing wrong with templating Joomla. CMS is a whole different world.

    That's the point. They are for mom & pop who don't think they need to pay an actual designer. If you're a designer using these tools, you're doing your clients a disservice.

    You don't have to go to school to be a designer. I prove that every time I sit in front of my computer. I have a degree in Professional Aeronautics, which is far from a design degree. But, you need to take the time to sit down and learn a craft if you want to do it. Slapping some junk together in some crap editor that kicks out AP divs that look like ass isn't the way to go, and you're doing a disservice to your clients as well as designers that actually give a damn about what they do.

    Clients care. That's all that matters. The only market for WYSIWYG built sites are for computer illiterates who don't know better and get duped.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2011
  2. Phreaddee

    Phreaddee Super Moderator Staff Member

    modern media wrote
    in reference to these "slams"
    hardly sounds like chest beating to me...

    the initial question was answered and expanded on. It was discussed that these types of systems are OK if you are wanting a personal site or similar, but that it might not be the best option if you were intending on becoming a professional/are a professional. the occasional "slam" may have happened, but was also apologised for. however it seems that you are the one who is getting their knickers in a knot over it.
  3. che09

    che09 New Member

    very well,it's better to be honest and direct to the point! It's one way of learning.

    I haven't try it,and in my own opinion I don't think I'll try it!
  4. Modern_Media

    Modern_Media New Member

    Before you read this and think it's getting "tense" -- please don't.
    To me, this is a great debate. I'm getting valuable opinions from designers from other States and Countries.

    I have to disagree to a point. In actuality, those "Idiots" are offering a less than quality design for a fraction of what we would charge. In business- you can't service everyone. You don't WANT to service everyone either.
    Some of our best paying clients have had bad websites for several years and they now realize the value of having a website as a marketing tool rather than just a presentation of their business.

    I do agree that using wix/sitebuilder is a disservice.

    But, do you want to do business with someone who isn't willing to pay? Of course not.
    Without going into the whole A/B/C/D levels of clients - some people are cheap - they have a right to be cheap. And more than likely you don't want to do business with someone who doesn't value your services or want to pay you in the first place.
    Those people who don't value web design services will purchase the cheap website with no business value. Only then will they learn that they made a mistake.

    Agreed wholeheartedly.
    Nope, you don't have to go to school. I get resumes from people who went to school for it that are horrible. My belief is you either have it or you don't.

    Some clients don't care -- they are shopping nothing but price. But that's ok. It's their right.
    There will always be good business and there will always be bad business. Without all the bad designers doing a disservice to clients, we wouldn't be making a living doing web design, would we?
  5. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, we would. In fact, we'd likely be making more doing it. In any market, the low-end, budget option devalues the product as a whole. If a client doesn't know the difference, why would they pay me my rate when their cousin's girlfriend's brother will do it in iWeb for $50? So, now we have to sell our superior quality product at a lower price to draw people in. Sure, the clients may eventually realize their website is doing them no good, but a lot of times they don't. Even then, they aren't always willing to shell out more money for a new website.

    It is my position that we should educate or turn away people who are devaluing the product we sell. It's entirely possible that they don't know, but after you tell them they will. Then, if they really care to be a part of the design community, they'll take the time to learn. If they don't, we've successfully weeded out another person who devalues what we do.
  6. Modern_Media

    Modern_Media New Member

    You're right on a lot of factors.

    Start up companies or newcomers to website design don't know what they are supposed to look for.
    In my experience, they believe it's just a bunch of images and text and nothing more.

    We don't quote prices over the phone because we want them in our office. We do educate our clients on what to look for and then it's a matter of price.

    You'll get more people who value your services the longer you stay in business. Brand recognition = trust in your product.

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