Replacement editor for an old FP guy.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by jungleexplorer, May 6, 2012.

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  1. Phreaddee

    Phreaddee Super Moderator Staff Member

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    the closest i've ever come to using a wysiwyg editor in recent times is squarespace

    www.squarespace.com

    its free to try and there is nothing to download. sign up and give it a go.
    at worst it'll be a waste of one night...
     
  2. Phreaddee

    Phreaddee Super Moderator Staff Member

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    here you go try this out

    http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

    wysiwyg editor from the guys who write the web specs. w3.org
    best of both worlds...

    and its free...
     
  3. jungleexplorer

    jungleexplorer New Member

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    What is it about my attitude that you find so offensive? I came here and clearly articulated the kind of information I was after. So far not one person has offered the kind of information I asked for. To the contrary, I have been attacked and basically called stupid. When attacked, I defended myself and you call that a bad attitude. I asked for an orange and was offered a rock. I rejected the rock because it was not for I asked for, and you call that a bad attitude.

    I participate on more then a dozen forums covering a wide range of issues from computers to razing chickens. I never answer a post for help unless I can give the OP exactly what they are looking for. But many people go around answering post just to make themselves feel better whether or not they are actually answering the OP.

    I have actually performed experiments to test how well people actually read post for help and have found that most people don't even read the whole original post. They read enough to get the idea of what the poster is saying, then they go into regurgitation mode where the just try to push their own ideas, whether or not it has anything to do with what the OP is asking. Try it for your self and you will see what I mean. Post a question with multiple points that you need answers for and see if anyone answers or even address half of the points you listed.

    I am a man and I don't ask people to tiptoe around my feelings, but I also don't tiptoe around theirs. If you come at me, you had better have your ducks in a row.
     
  4. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

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    There is a demand for them. A few actually have TV commercials clearly targetted toward small business owners who either don't want to or don't have the money to hire someone to do it. The demand comes from the DIY crowd. You won't find it among people who consider themselves web designers.
     
  5. d a v e

    d a v e New Member

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    the thing i find offensive is that you won't listen to what professionals are saying and that when you are given recommenedations you won't take any of your own time to evaluate those recommendations for yourself

    i always read the whole post and i've been visiting forums for years now

    you asked for: "looking for a new WYSIWYG program to update and edit my many existing FP sites with." i suggested expression web which is the update to frontpage, even though it is a bit of a jump.

    I've tried several wyiswyg editors since the very first version of dreamweaver but i can't say i've used expressions web extensively: enough for a first impression? yes enough even for a second one, and i've been on enough frontpage forums to recommend it on others' recommendations. you might just have to put the time in yourself to try it and see if it suits you. you can talk all you want with someone who's been using it day in day out, but seeing as you don't listen to the advice of professionals here about hand-coding and code quality then it seems a waste of time discussing another wysiwig with someone else, should you find such a person.

    i also mentioned wordpress, not exactly wysiwig but an avenue you might want to explore.

    i personally wouldn't recommend expressions web over say dreamweaver, or kompopzer, or NVU or some others, but for someone (you) wanting a smooth transition from frontpage to the next thing then i think it would be the best fit

    i think i pretty much have my ducks in a row - maybe you can explain how i - or anyone else here - hasn't answered your question to your liking, but at the end of the day however helpful we are we're not here to do your work for you - if you're not man enough to take recommendations and check them out for yourself why bother making sites?

    the "rock" may not be what you asked for, but it's probably what you need ;)
     
  6. Phreaddee

    Phreaddee Super Moderator Staff Member

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    well you failed on your ability to read posts 21 and 22...
     
  7. anna

    anna New Member

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    What, exactly, is razing chickens? Is that legal??
     
  8. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Depends on how you do it. If you use an 80mm canon from an A-10, it's legal on the second Tuesday of Ramadan. Otherwise, no, it's completely illegal.
     
  9. chrishirst

    chrishirst Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    I have been developing HTML documents since the mid 1990s, note the word "developing" because I am definitely not a "designer", I have always seen the two disciplines at common but separate, designing requires artistic skills, developing requires logic skills. Rarely do those two combine perfectly in a single human being.
    There is is the "Use it or lose it" maxim.
    Three years ago ago I had a cerebral infarction, to use a technical phrase, and I have found that making myself (re-)learn and understand HTML & CSS concepts and specifications have improved my cognitive abilities in other areas as well.

    FP "morphed" into "ExpressionWeb" because the very poor support it had for server-side languages (It couldn't even get the Microsoft created languages correct) became very, very much outdated. Microsoft at the time had NOT intended to "adopt" the Internet and had said that it was not likely to "catch on" with their customers. FP was a bit like IE4, and "rushed out" when they decided they had got it wrong, so it had many flaws.
    FP extensions are not supported by hosting companies any more because they have not been updated since around 1998 and are an huge security risk, I run five servers and have had them disabled for several years and we will turn away business rather than install FP Extensions on any of our servers.

    One of the issues that I would suggest we all have with "Designed with Microsoft Frontpage" documents is that, you can tell!!
    They all have the same kind of layout and no matter what colours or images are used, they still look like a FP "designed" page.



    One of the problems trying to find a FP replacement is, ... there isn't one. If you used "Frontpage includes" it would be far easier and much less time consuming to start from scratch.

    I didn't see NVU CoffeeCup or Page Breeze mentioned anywhere so I'll throw those into the mix for your consideration.
     
  10. chrishirst

    chrishirst Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    and we all know what kind of mess the world is now in because of "improved/advanced" methods or means of death and destruction have left us with.

    Same with driving even short distance rather than using what our legs were intended for.



    I don't think anyone suggested that. Hand coding is not an "advanced way" but it is far more flexible and controllable than WYSIAWYG, therefore is PREFERABLE over the rather jumbled mess that most, if not all visual design tools leave behind, after all they are only as good as the person who programmed it.
     
  11. CaldwellYSR

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    Then don't get back into web design. In all honestly think about what you said here. Code changes all the time and if you as a person can't keep up how do you expect some WYSIWYG editor to keep up? It only gets updated once a year if that and is ALWAYS behind on standards. If you really don't think you can keep up do yourself and the web design community a favor and just leave it to us.
     
  12. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Wow, I thought we already beat this dead horse into the ground...
     
  13. CaldwellYSR

    CaldwellYSR Member

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    Aww man :/ I just got onto someone else for bumping and old thread then I did it. I feel like a jack-butt now :p
     
  14. ronaldroe

    ronaldroe Super Moderator Staff Member

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    'Twas the dude before you who bumped it
     

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