kremo5le

Some people just blow things out of proportions without thinking first. Basically, we were stereotyped. Using a template does not make you inferior or anything. Specially when it has been heavily modified to suit our needs. We DO create sites from scratch too, I have been saying that all along. Some clients can't pay for custom work so we have the "template package." NOTHING wrong with that and that is not changing neither: the demand is out there. Heck, some pre-made templates look light years better than a custom site.

I mentioned that I do respect their opinion but... we do custom websites too! If a client wants a template package then they know, explicitly, they are getting it. It is on our web design pages in any case. Most people, however, don't want that, and we are happy to do that because that's were the creative part kicks in.

It was just the tone and hatred of the initial posts without even digging a little bit into what we do or who we are or how we treat our clients. But, that's how the world is and I'm not taking anything personal.

Thanks for you input!

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Phreaddee

See there you go again
You havent changed shit. A different font, different copy and a different header image
If thats how much you modify them for your customers than **** me!
You are deluded...

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ronaldroe

Do you really think you're the first to come on here and do this? We knew what you were from the get-go. You have the same attitude as these knuckleheads who think it's OK to grab the latest version of Xara or whatever craptastic WYSIWYG editor they can find (not suggesting you do that particularly) and drag and drop some piece of garbage together and call it good. It's the easy road. The customer won't know, right?

You honestly don't need to modify someone else's work, which may have legal or ethical issues attached, to quickly put together sites for people on the cheap. And because I've griped without presenting a better solution, here you go:
There are CSS frameworks. It's a little outdated and there are better ones, but give 960gs a look. Search around and find one that works for you. There are many of them. Some are more robust than others. Some are designed for huge complicated layouts, while others are more for simple ones.
There are boilerplates. There's a fantastic boilerplate for Wordpress called Bones. The developer refers to it as a theme, but it's really more of a boilerplate. There's also the HTML5 Boilerplate. Another great one.
And after all that, you can also sit down and just write your own template, or framework or boilerplate. What do you think I do when I need a site fast and on the cheap? I have a kit that I built that has most of the HTML and all of the structural CSS already in place. And everything's already split up into PHP files. It's far from a template, though. It's my own little boilerplate for rapid design.

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kremo5le

Hey, thank you very much for the help. We do really want to provide as much custom work as possible.

FINAL THOUGHT

I like in to ask to be helped. This conversation has been really good but the hatred part was just not necessary. That is not how people who use templates will learn how to do 100% custom work. That is how people who use templates will not like guys like you and end up doing it even more. But that's not us. In life we need to leave our hate on the side, sit down, and talk. I am an open, understanding person, but not when I am, literally, attacked. That is primitive, childish, non-constructive behavior and I could have just "walked away."

We provide a hell of a job and our clients are all happy, satisfied, and getting what they pay for, custom 100% or with a template. Again, the demand is out there and some clients just can't and/or don't care to afford custom work (30%).

Thank you.

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ronaldroe

Disagreement isn't hate. The sooner people learn that, the quicker people will learn to just listen. Righteous indignation and political correctness for the sake of not hurting someone's feelings are more detrimental to a society than actual hate will ever be.

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kremo5le

Then I thank you for teaching me something new. Typing stuff on an email or forum can lead to misinterpretation sometimes.

Good luck to you! :O)

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anna

Nail. Head. Love love love it...

Brian Angel

The only misintepretation here is you as a web designer. Do something original, the rest has all been said.

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