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Old 10-12-2011, 12:30 AM   #11
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Cranky cause I was on my 3rd bus of the morning.
Hostile because ive had many rant on at me re:conditions @ foxconn. And most of those folk did not seem to have any concept of anything else besides appearing "cool" and moralistic. Apologies for lumping u in with that lot...
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:33 AM   #12
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Steve offered more to your world than you might realise. To assume that its just apple shows short sightedness. Lets go back a bit shall we...
1. Shift towards personal computing over mainframes (apple II)
2. Gui - so folk could actually use computers WITHOUT knowing programming.
3. Mouse. I know people will say he stole it from epson but the first pc with mouse was an apple.
4. Tim berners-lee wrote the www on a nextcube. Steves own creation, after he left apple.
5. Bought a small animation company, upgraded their systems again to neXT which then makes the first all cg animation.
6. Goes back to apple, saves company AND kicks gates up the arse.
It's true, many of us, including myself, often forget some of his original ideas and accomplishments BEFORE he returned to Apple. I was unaware of point #4, that's pretty cool.

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Steve Jobs' legacy shouldn't be tarnished by what occurred with this suicide business. First of all, Foxconn is an independent contractor employed by Apple to assemble an Apple product. Technically, Apple isn't liable for any incident that occurs in a Foxconn facility, but from a PR standpoint, they're obviously going to take some heat. Does Apple have a responsibility to be aware of the conditions of the employees that handle their products? Yes, I think they do, and, from what I understand, both they and Foxconn have put in place measures that will hopefully remedy the situation and prevent further occurrences.

As the Chinese move forward in their growth and development, they should look at the labor standards set in place by the US and other developed nations and use them as a model for themselves. In the US, particularly during the industrial age, we had thousands of work related deaths. Factory conditions were reprehensible. Occupational health and safety was entirely unregulated. It took us decades to finally set in place reasonable standards for all workers in all work environments. Even now, it's still a work in progress.

All that said, RIP Steve Jobs.

I wrote my own bit of a tribute at Computer Forum, if any of you care to read.

http://www.computerforum.com/202035-...ml#post1688806

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Old 10-13-2011, 04:23 PM   #13
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If you ask me, his greatest feat (Besides Pixar) was convincing a nation that their computers and devices were their friends. An excellent businessman.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:06 AM   #14
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Yeah, the iconic legends pass away, the man who changes the wold of technology and life. Life is boring without our gadgets today. We will miss you steve job.
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Definitely sad, all I can hope is that he has motivated enough people to do what he has done.
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Old 11-01-2011, 11:35 PM   #16
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He was the best smart & intelligent man I ever saw!
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:56 AM   #17
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I've been an apple user for almost 2 years from now, and i like how Steve inspire me with his speech last college graduation 2005.
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RIP Dennis Ritchie !
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:40 PM   #19
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It was really regrettable that he died. I think Apple would have more innovations with him around.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:11 PM   #20
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This isn't a Rest in Peace Dennis Ritchie thread, although I agree with you...
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